Large Tip Cutting Torch Oxygen Flow

Large tip cutting torches require high oxygen flow rates to operate properly. Flow rate requirements of +/- 1000 scfh are commonly encountered. It is also common for users to try and feed these large tip torches from a single liquid cylinder that has a vaporizing flow capacity of only +/- 300 scfh. The ineffectiveness of this has been discussed in previous articles, but never shown like this new video from Victor

http://www.jenobi.com/clientsites/thermadyne/video.htm

Hit the link and it should load right up. It provides a great explanation of the challenge of running large tip torches and the benefits of having proper liquid oxygen vaporization.

By the way- The side mount vaporizers shown are manufactured by West Cryogenics, Inc. and distributed by Eddie's Welding Supply and other gas and welding distributors.

Cryogenic Liquid Cylinder Operation- Part 2A- Gas Withdrawal

Open the Gas Use valve on a filled cryogenic liquid cylinder and gas will come out. Interestingly enough, the same thing happens if you open the Vent valve. So……. Does the gas coming out of each valve come from the same place inside the vessel?

If you answered “yes” or “no” you are sometimes right. As they say, though, even a broken clock has the right time twice each day. It is more accurate to say “It depends.” To understand the “why” of this, it is helpful to first look at the Vent connection.

We previously affirmed that liquid withdrawn from a 4L-DOT liquid cylinder comes from the bottom of the vessel. This is easy since the liquid is heavier. Gas that is formed by the normal evaporation of liquid nitrogen, argon or oxygen collects in the top of the liquid cylinder inner vessel “head space”. As more and more molecules crowd into the head space the inner vessel contents pressure increases. This pressure is useful to push liquid back out through the dip tube when the liquid valve is opened.

When the Vent valve is opened, free gas molecules are allowed to escape and the pressure goes down. If the Vent valve and Gas Use valves were both connected to the head space only then there would be no reason for both. There would also be a big operational problem.

Let’s consider a case where Mike the Scrapper is using oxygen from a cryogenic liquid cylinder to feed a cutting torch or oxygen lance. If he were using a simple LS (Liquid Service Only) vessel then his work cycle would look very much like the profile of a wedge or the topography of the White Cliffs of Dover. He’d have a long wait while pressure built in the liquid cylinder. Then, once the pressure was high enough he’d fire up his torch and start pulling off gas. The pressure would drop precipitously until it got too low and the torch would go out. Mike would then have to wait a long time again for pressure to build and then fire up for a little while, lose pressure and go out. This would be unlikely to occur more than a couple of times before Mike would give up on the liquid cylinder and go back to high pressure cylinders that would give him a constant supply of gas until empty.

If gas doesn’t just pull right off the top, then where does it come from?

Oxygen + Fuel Cutting- Starving for Oxygen

Good news- We have unprecedented access to information.
Bad news- There is too much information.

Frustration with large tip cutting torch operations is common. Tips burn up and results just aren’t what are expected.

Enter easy-to-use gas flow guides like those published by Victor. It only took two of us who knew what we were looking for about 30 minutes to find them today online. They are probably easier to find if you are one person with less presupposed knowledge…….. or not. You can also just drop by your local welding supply and pick them up.

Anyhow- check out the flow requirement for a #8 tip and you’ll see the oxygen flow needed for a type 303M, GPM, GPN, GPP is 450 to 500 scfh. Go to a Type 1-101, 3-101 (Oxy-Acetylene) and the oxygen flow requirement is 900-1050 scfh. Back in the day when your #4 tips system was fed by oxygen gas 16- packs everything was fine. The only problems were the weight, size and cost so you go to a liquid cylinder and all is fine. That is until a #8 tip is needed and no one ever mentioned that the maximum 8-hour flow rate from a 180 liter liquid cylinder is 350 scfh +/- depending on the manufacturer.

Result- A big powerful torch that is now starving for air which is kind of like a Ferarri with a wet air filter….. all show and no go.

Solution: Additional vaporization.
New Result: More air; More cut. Maybe even a speeding ticket….

Flow vs. Pressure- Boiled Frog Syndrome

Customer Y calls in January to ask about problems with his cutting torch work. “I just don’t understand. In August, everything seemed to be working fine. Now we are extra busy and my guys just can’t seem to cut like we were. We’ve turned the pressure builders all the way up, but that just doesn’t seem to help.”

Visiting, we find that several things have changed since August. He is, in fact, a great deal busier and now has 3 to 5 torches running off a liquid cylinder where he previously had 1 or 2. They’ve moved up to larger bore cutting tips and it is colder outside. All have combined to reduce the flow of vaporized oxygen gas that he is able to get to each torch.

This is a common and often misdiagnosed problem- especially where changes have occurred gradually or where users have switched sources from high pressure oxygen cylinders to cryogenic liquid oxygen. In many cases, the attempted solution is to increase pressure by going to high pressure liquid cylinders or cranking up the pressure builder on what they have. This sometimes makes the problem even worse by overflowing available ambient vaporization.

If the real issue is inadequate flow of gaseous molecules then the solution is often as simple as adding additional vaporization downstream. Very high use applications such as feeding multiple oxygen lances or large cutting tips might require you to link multiple liquid cylinders or go to a larger tank.

- Photo provided courtesy of Oxylance, Inc.